Prompt:
In Chapter 1, T. Ray punishes Lily by making her kneel on the Martha Whites for an hour.
Response Requirement:
Kneel on the grits yourself. (no quotes necessary)
* What did you expect? What did they feel like?
* What does this punishment say about T. Ray? Lily's childhood and maturity?
Friday, March 5, 2010
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I didn’t expect it to feel that bad but it hurt a little. They felt like little pieces of pebbles on my knees. The punishment says that T.Ray is a mean person. He just likes to hurt other people. That is why Lily ran away.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I didn’t really expect much pain from kneeling on the grits. I thought it would be like someone slapping you- sure, it would hurt, but only for a few seconds afterwards. The pain from the grits was constant, especially if you kept the pressure on your elbows/knees (depending on if you were kneeling or leaning). Lily was right about the grits feeling like powdered glass. It was like a porcupine’s needles seeping into your skin. The three minutes felt so much longer than they really were- I cannot even imagine how much it must’ve hurt for Lily as she kneeled on the pyramid of grits on the hard floor for an hour. I wonder if that is still a common punishment for children in the South.
ReplyDeleteWhat this punishment tells me about T. Ray is that he never considers other people’s emotions. Because he never truly shows his emotions, we don’t really know if he has any. And because he lacks emotions, he makes all of his punishments physical. By making Lily kneel on the Martha Whites, he thinks he is really punishing her and that physically punishing her is the ONLY way to punish her. However, if he really knew Lily, he would know that physical pain is nothing to her compared to mental suffering. For example, she was in agony when T. Ray told her that her mother left her when she was a baby. For Lily, this punishment is common. It is like sitting in a time-out chair! She thinks that it is actually NORMAL to kneel on grits for that long after not even making a mistake. This tells me that growing up with T. Ray has caused her to mature fast. She doesn’t ever complain to anyone about anything. This way of life for her has caused her to become more mature than T. Ray is!
When i had the chance to kneel on grits it definitely did not hurt as bad as it was expected too. That could be because somebody else knelt on them before me. Also, I was on carpet, which had a flat surface. What the grits were on for Lily's experience was not a flat surface. Although it did not hurt too bad at the moment, it stung after.
ReplyDeleteT. Ray should not do that to Lily, especially when he is not positive of what she did. It makes it seem like T. Ray does not have a nice bone in his body. It also says how mature Lily is. I for one would NEVER do that. Lily took her punishment like a man (in a courageous manner) and knelt on the grits for as long as T. Ray made her.
I expected that kneeling on the grits would feel like kneeling on broken shards of glass. I expected this because from the book it sounded like pure torture, and it sounded cruel and unusual. just the way Lily described was horrible. When I kneeled on the grits, I was surprised, they didn’t feel horrible at all. They really felt like rough sand and nothing more. In fact, I have had times when I’ve kneeled on sand and it hurt more.
ReplyDeleteWhile not as bad as I thought, kneeling on grits is still a cruel punishment. It was very mean of T.Ray to do this. My parents would never have done that to me. It also shows that Lily has a horrible childhood. Every time she does something wrong, she is punished with pain. I think that Lily is very mature that she could stand through this, and her dad because if I was in her position, I would not be able to stand it.
When i placed my elbows on the grits it felt like pieces of glass digging into my skin. Before i set my elbow down i expected it to be like jagged pieces of rocks. After about 3 minutes i took it off and it felt pretty good until a couple of minutes passed, it felt like my elbow was burnt. I feel bad for Lily because i only did it for 3 minutes, but she had done it for an hour or so.
ReplyDeleteThis punishment shows me that T. Ray had a hard childhood when he was younger. This also shows me that T. Ray may have had strict parents that causes him to be the same. I think that Lily knows better and will mature into a lovingly mother that she never really had. Lily has/had a hard childhood without having a mother and T. Ray being so strict.
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ReplyDeleteI expected that the grits would have hurt more than it did. But, I only knelt on it for a couple of a seconds on a soft floor. But I think that it would hurt a lot more if I did
At first I didn’t know what grits where..didnt think they would be that bad. Turns out I was wrong and it was very painful. This is a very harsh punishment and he shouldn’t have made her do those things. The punishments mean that T.Ray did these things when he was younger and he did even worse. So he thinks that is child, Lily should have to the same thing as he did when he was younger.
ReplyDeleteAt first I didn’t know what grits where..didnt think they would be that bad. Turns out I was wrong and it was very painful. This is a very harsh punishment and he shouldn’t have made her do those things. The punishments mean that T.Ray did these things when he was younger and he did even worse. So he thinks that is child, Lily should have to the same thing as he did when he was younger.
ReplyDeleteBefore I knelt on the grits I thought that they wouldn’t hurt at all. They were just pieces of corn but I did hear they were very sharp. When I actually felt them it wasn’t too bad. Time went on and I started to feel that sharp stinging pain more. If I moved my elbow a little it would increase the pain a lot. After I got off the grits were stuck to my skin and I had to wipe them off. It was a relief to get my skin off of those sharp grains but I quickly that stinging doesn’t stop so easily. The pain went on for ten to twenty minutes until it finally stopped. It was a very unpleasant experience.
ReplyDeleteEven though I didn’t like this punishment it must have been worse for Lily. She has done this her whole life and for hours at a time. T-Ray must be the worst person in the world to put someone through that. He thought up this punishment knowing that it would not only hurt during, but afterwards the pain continues. Lily had to have been traumatized by this. She went through this almost everyday for her entire life. It does show that she is strong to go through this a lot. It shows that she cannot be easily broken. This punishment should never be used.
If I could say one thing about my personal experience with grits, it would be that it most certainly does not feel in any way shape or form, good. Kneeling on them was like purposely rubbing my legs against sand paper for hours on end. I realize though, that when Lily had to lye on grits it was much worse then what I had to do. I never expected something that seems as harmful as something that people in the South use to eat, to be so excruciatingly painful. The punishment shows that T ray has lost basically all compassion for anyone but himself. When I think about the ways he is a horrible father it makes me wonder how a human being can voluntarily watch his or her child in pain, due to him. It seemed he got almost a certain satisfaction of seeing Lily in pain, his own way of saying “Ha-ha, I have more power over you.” After everything happens with T. Ray bailing Lily out of jail, he leaves the house and promises her that when he returns her hefty punishment will start. It’s not a surprise that when Lily thinks about all the bad things her father could do to her, the pounds and pounds and hours of kneeling on grits, she wants to flee town. Although T. Ray’s punishments in my mind are in no way okay, they helped Lily to mature at an unbelievable rate. She realizes that staying home just won’t be safe, and she figures out how to deal with it. No child should have to figure out a safe way to leave home, but its amazing how Lily did and stayed strong throughout it.
ReplyDeleteKneeling on the grits really hurt my knees. i wasn't expecting it to hurt that much but it actually really did hurt. What it felt like was a bunch of little spikes going in your knee. I could barely do it for 3 minutes i couldn't even imagine doing it for hours it must have hurt so much. This shows that Lily would have to act older then she really was because this hurt so much and she would have to tolerate the pain like an adult because if she was screaming like a little child she would have gotten even worse punishments. This means she would lose the chance to act and be a child and grow up and at mature and like an adult. So lastly would not want to kneel on the grits again because of how much it hurt and i feel bad she had to lose a childhood and act like an adult.
ReplyDeleteI wasn’t that surprised when T. Ray gave Lily a punishment, but I didn’t know it was going to kneel on grits. I would have expected him to hit her or leave her in her room and can’t eat anything. The grits felt like sand, but also like needles going through your skin. This punishment says that T. Ray will give Lily any punishment that he doesn’t have to do physically. He would rather see her be there in misery than give a smack and let all the pain go away in seconds. Lily’s childhood could have been filled with punishments just like kneeling on grits. This has made her more mature because she knows how to deal with hard times and pain.
ReplyDeleteLily has a lot of willpower to be able to stay on those grits. Grits are little grains of corn that can be boiled and are usually eaten at breakfast time. When I first looked at the grits, I didn’t think they would hurt. The grits looked like grains of sand. They were tiny and they didn’t look harmful at all. I didn’t expect it to hurt. When you first go down, you don’t really feel any pain. The pain sets in after a few minutes. It almost felt like I was kneeling on those really pointy pebbles you would see at some playgrounds. Keep in mind that those pebbles are at least three times the size of a handful of the grits. When I got up, it was all red with little indents. It hurt more when you lift it off the pile than when it is actually on there. Although I only stayed on for about two or three minutes, it felt like we were on there for a lot longer.
ReplyDeleteThis punishment really brings out T.Ray’s ugly personality. Who would have the time and put in the effort to dream up punishments like that? Clearly, he isn’t a good parent, or even a good person for that matter. Lily’s ability to tough it out in front of him shows how strong she is. Lily said herself that she doesn’t want to let herself cry in front of him. The worst thing she could do is to give him the satisfaction of breaking her down. Her childhood isn’t like many. She is abused by her father and doesn’t get many of the luxuries of being a kid. By her having to experience these punishments, Lily also had to grow up pretty quickly because she probably started getting punished at a young age. She probably had to mature pretty fast in order to avoid punishments like the Martha Whites due to her little kid ignorance. Kneeling on grits are quite painful and would definitely make me stay on my best behavior.
As I was reading the part in the story when Lily had to kneel on the grits, I had a visual picture in my head of what they looked like. I thought they would look like thumb tacks, very pointy and hard. Then when I saw the container Ms. Drosdick brought in, I wondered how those could possibly hurt, considering they looked like dry oatmeal, were very small pieces, and looked somewhat soft. Then when I felt them, I realized why Lily’s knees were in pain the next day. They were very hard and the little pieces actually made it worse. They would make indents on your knees like what happens when you kneel on pebbles or an un-paved road for too long. I just felt them for about a minute before they began to cause pain, but Lily had to kneel on them for a whole hour!
ReplyDeleteThis punishment says that T. Ray is a very cruel man, punishing his thirteen year old daughter for something she didn’t even do. He accused her of meeting a boy out in the fields, but really she was just back there looking at the picture and gloves that used to be her mothers. This also shows that T. Ray is very stubborn. He wouldn’t even let Lily have time to explain to him the real reason she was out there before the pile of grits were on the floor and Lily was being forced to kneel on them. Lily has endured an unbearable childhood, her mom dying when Lily was just four years old, and her dad punishing her every day for some new reason. Somehow though, Lily has made it through those difficult years of her life with the help of Rosaleen being a role model for her and showing her to be brave and stick up for herself, even when she is being pushed around. Her maturity increased when she decided that she wasn’t going to put up with T. Ray any more, and live a non-abusive rest of her life. However, when she was punished by T. Ray, she was very mature about it and always obeyed his commands; otherwise she knew she would get punished anymore. So when he told her to kneel on the grits without even giving her time to speak, she just obeyed, and didn’t even try talking back to him, which shows true maturity.
When I knelt on the grits, I expected it to be scratchy, but it was worse. With all your body weight leaning against the “powdered glass” like Lily thought it felt, it hurts. This punishment says that T.Ray is an abusive person, he isn’t afraid to hurt Lily when she does something wrong. This can affect Lily growing up because she may just get used to it and say, well its going to happen anyway so I will just have to go along with it. This may even cause her to mature faster cause it will bring out her independence.
ReplyDeleteThe grits were interesting. Not too painful, but when I moved around put all my weight back on the ground, pain emerged. I wonder if other pain comes when you kneel on them for longer like 4 hours maybe. It felt as if I was kneeling for a long time at the beach making something like a sandcastle, but the sand was extremely large and coarse. That's the one thing that I can't stand about playing in the sand or building sandcastles. This punishment explains a lot about t. Ray, some of which involve him being a bad father and not respecting Lily's true identity and feelings. He doesn't know for a fact that she was out in the orchard with a boy so shouldn't be so sure about his choice of words and thoughts. This shows T. Ray needs to take a few teaching classes for fathers with many problems. He is hurting his daughter’s life in many ways. One very important thing T. Ray is ruining for Lily is her feminism. Kneeling on a plank of wood with grits on it for hours isn’t exactly the most attractive and feminine thing. T. Ray should find a different way to punish Lily or maybe just listen to her feelings. It’s as if he wants to see his daughter in pain for a longer time, then just send her in her room and leave her to be alone. Lily was smart to leave with her “stand in mother” Rosaleen. Lily just has to be ready to kneel on grits in case her dad comes chasing after her.
ReplyDeleteI expected that the grits would have hurt more than it did. But, I only knelt on it for a couple of a seconds on a soft floor. But I think that it would hurt a lot more if I did knel to it that it would be pritty painful. So im not suprised the Lily doesn't argue when T-ray thretins to take out the Martha Whites. T-ray (by his actions) is saying that he really doesn't care about Lily and her feelings
ReplyDeleteI didn’t expect the grits to hurt that much in the beginning. I thought it would start hurting after a few minutes after kneeling on them. But the moment I knelt down, I could feel the grits digging into my skin and it felt just like the way Lily described them, like powdered glass. It was almost as I was kneeling on large grains of sand. This punishment says that T. Ray isn’t very caring and he doesn’t care about the way Lily feels. Lily’s childhood was filled with this punishment whenever she did something bad. She must have tried to be perfect so she wouldn’t have to endured that pain for an hour or more. She was very smart and mature to not say anything about how she felt. If she did, T. Ray might have said something like, ‘too bad’ or ‘don’t act like a child, and you wont have to do this.’ It would have been harder to have to hear her father yell at her for complaining, than to actually accept the punishment.
ReplyDeleteIn the beginning I thought the Gritz wouldn’t hurt as much. I expected it to feel just a little harder than sand. Once I put my elbows on them, it felt a little weird at first. After a minute or two it started to hurt a little bit more. Thinking what Lily had to go through for hours, must have killed! I only had to go through it for five minutes. There is a big difference I’m sure. This shows that Lily might have been used to it in a way. Going through this her whole life must have been a pain. I’m sure it hurt every time, but I think she was used to T-ray’s immaturity. I think T-ray didn’t have to be that harm with his own daughter. Especially since she wasn’t outside with a boy, she still got blamed with an extreme punishment. I believe that Lily suffered a lot of harm as a child.
ReplyDeleteDuring class I knelt in grits along with other students. I knelt in them for approximately 20 minutes. I expected it not to hurt at all. “The grits don’t seem like a punishment” I thought, but I was sadly mistaken. The grits felt like little pieces of sharp teeth being dug into my knees. Every second it felt like it was penetrating my skin a little more. I honestly expected to start to bleed after a while, but when I got up there were just little indents in the skin. It didn’t seem like anything happened, but the pain was brutal.
ReplyDeleteThis punishment tells me a lot about T. Ray. He didn’t like being messed with. If you didn’t listen to him you were going to pay. The fact that he made Lily kneel on the grits until she bled just makes me think child cruelty. Lily’s childhood must have been full of punishments if she’s used to the grits by now. Lily has to be tough and not give in and start bawling on the floor because T. Ray would be thrilled to see that. She must be very mature by now because she would have learned ways to get back at T. Ray so he wouldn’t know it was her, and then she wouldn’t have to deal with the pain.
The first minute I knelt on the grits I thought, Wow this is no problem. What is Mrs. Drosdick talking about? But then I moved my knee... It was extremely painful like is was kneeling on freshly sharpen knifed and every time I shifted my weight they dug deeper and deeper into my skin and bones. At this point I really didn't fully understand the relationship between Lily and T. Ray but, after that I knew it was based on child abuse and torture, physically and emotionally. I felt the pain Lily had been going through for the past 10 years of her life and how that effected her. How her father repeatedly reminded her of her mistake, when the truth was he felt responsible and couldn't take the pressure and guilt. This punishment of kneeling on grits shows that maybe he had to kneel on then when he was a little boy, or maybe he was abused by his own father, and has to take his anger out on other people for what he suffered for. I don't think T. Ray is immature but, his actions are immature. For example telling Lily that her mother left her and was just coming back for her belongings and making her kneel on grits. His past is what set his future and obviously he didn't have a healthy past.
ReplyDeleteIn class I had the “privilege” to kneel on grits. Surprisingly these sandy objects didn’t hurt that much. Maybe it was that we were on carpet or that we were only on them for five minutes it just didn’t hurt. I’m positive that Lily’s punishment was worst. I would think that if you kneel on the grits for a long time the little sandy things start feeling like rocks and it would defiantly hurt a lot. Theses grits are a cruel punishment and should only be used for cooking not to hurt anyone.
ReplyDeleteI expected that it would hurt a lot but it really didn't since i only knelt on the grits for only 3 minutes. It hurted a little bit but i think Lily had more pain since she knelt there for hours. I think what the punishment tells about T-ray is that he is a really mean person, and maybe in the past when he was a kid he got punished by the same punishment.
ReplyDeleteWhen I knelt on the grits, it felt like I was kneeling on big grains of sand. I had expected pain to shoot through my legs because of how exaggerated it was in the story. I guess that once you’re sitting on the on the grits for a while and you get tired, which makes you start to shift your weight from one knee to another, and it may start to hurt and make you bleed. After an hour, though, I’d expect it to really hurt, since it felt so weird in just a couple of seconds. This shows how aggressive and mean T. Ray is. Lily even said herself, that T. Ray is so imaginative when it comes to punishments. I think that T. Ray really does love Lily, and this is his funny way of showing it. He loves Lily, and his wife, but he takes his anger out on Lily now since she was one of the causes of the whole problem. Because Lily has experienced all of this, I think she’s more appreciative. If it was someone else who stumbled upon the caring beekeepers, then they may not have realized how lucky they were. Also, I think that this opened up Lily’s eyes to how the real world is like. Whether life’s is painful on the inside or the outside, it hurts sometimes. Some children these days are so naïve to the pressure outside of their ‘picture perfect’ homes, but since Lily has experienced such a horrid lifestyle, she still has a chance to live that perfect life.
ReplyDeleteLily’s father often punishes her by making her kneel on grits. To really understand the pain she felt, I decided to kneel on grits myself. When I saw what the grits looked like, I figured it would be no pain at all. It looks like a soft powder. I was sadly mistaken. The sharp pieces were so fine that it almost give the illusion of a fine powder. As soon as my knees hit the grits, I felt burning. I sat there for three minutes, when I finally stood up and brushed myself off. I looked at my skin, and it was bright red. It hurt when I bent my knee for the next half hour. The grits were lying on a soft carpet, so I could only imagine how it would feel on a hard wood floor like Lily did.
ReplyDeleteThis punishment shows that T-Ray is very harsh, and does not care about anyone but himself. He has probably never experienced the pain that the grits can cause. T-Ray would never be able to sit there on them for an hour like he expects Lily to. This also shows that Lily is unbelievably mature, and strong. She does not complain about the harsh punishment because she knows it will only cause the situation to worsen. She does as T-Ray says, and knows it will be over soon. It shows that this happens to Lily to often, that she expects this, and already knows how to handle it. Lily is a very strong girl, and knows the right thing to do in a situation like that.
Kneeling on the grits actually wasn’t that bad. I was expecting to feel lots of pain, and kneeling on them in class was a relief because they didn’t hurt as much as I thought they would. Reading the novel through Lily’s point of view, the readers can get an understanding of what it felt like to knell on the grits. Lily described it so vividly and made it seem so painful, but it really wasn’t. However, if you think about both of our situations, the circumstances are very different. Lily was kneeling on grits for hours, on a hardwood floor while I was on the grits for about five minutes on soft carpet. This obviously makes the difference in how much pain I felt. Also, T. Ray was there watching Lily’s every move, so she couldn’t even stand up for a quick moment of relief. In class, it was a very laid back environment, and the grits were there to experiment with, not to use as punishment devices.
ReplyDeleteThis form of punishment describes T. Ray very well. It shows that he is a cruel man who cares about nothing. He doesn’t even care about his own daughter if he can inflict so much pain on her. The worst part is that Lily didn’t even do anything to deserve the punishment of kneeling on the Martha Whites. And how did T. Ray even come up with this idea? Is that what he does in his spare time; come up with punishments? He is a heartless man who couldn’t care less about Lily. Speaking of Lily, the incident that happened in the book was surely not the first time she had knelt on grits. She had obviously endured the pain before, and as a result, her harsh childhood has made her into a strong young woman. Now that she has suffered through living with T. Ray, she can manage anything. She is more mature, and a lot braver. This experience has shaped her as a person.
Lily’s father often punishes her by making her kneel on grits. To really understand the pain she felt, I decided to kneel on grits myself. When I saw what the grits looked like, I figured it would be no pain at all. It looks like a soft powder. I was sadly mistaken. The sharp pieces were so fine that it almost give the illusion of a fine powder. As soon as my knees hit the grits, I felt burning. I sat there for three minutes, when I finally stood up and brushed myself off. I looked at my skin, and it was bright red. It hurt when I bent my knee for the next half hour. The grits were lying on a soft carpet, so I could only imagine how it would feel on a hard wood floor like Lily did.
ReplyDeleteThis punishment shows that T-Ray is very harsh, and does not care about anyone but himself. He has probably never experienced the pain that the grits can cause. T-Ray would never be able to sit there on them for an hour like he expects Lily to. This also shows that Lily is unbelievably mature, and strong. She does not complain about the harsh punishment because she knows it will only cause the situation to worsen. She does as T-Ray says, and knows it will be over soon. It shows that this happens to Lily to often, that she expects this, and already knows how to handle it. Lily is a very strong girl, and knows the right thing to do in a situation like that.
The grits feel like you are kneeling on shattered glass. I felt really bad for Lily because she has to deal with this `severe punishment for a really long time. If I were Lily I would tell T ray to stop this punishment. I would ask him to kneel on them for an hour and see how he feels. I think that T Ray is a mean cruel person who had the same punishment since he was young so he is doing the same to Lily.
ReplyDeleteIn Chapter 1 T. Ray’s punishment on Lily to make her kneel or the Martha Whites for an hour is very hard to do I tried it for 5 minute and my knees started to feel pain. I expected that it would just feel weird or like I was kneeling on sand. It did NOT feel that way at all! I think the punishment that T. Ray put on Lily was very crazy and I felt like he put all his anger on her. This makes Lily’s childhood scared for herself and will make her remember it for the rest of her life. I think this was one of the causes why she snuck away with Rosaleen. Also to find something about her mother, for some reason whenever she talks about her mother she feels safe; with T. Ray she never had that. That’s what I think this punishment that T. Ray put on her will do to her.
ReplyDeleteWhen I had the chance to kneel on grits, I expected something more painful than it actually was. I think Lily kind of over exaggerated with the pain, but then again, I didn’t kneel for a whole hour, so I shouldn’t be talking. The grits felt kind of rashy, rough, and sandy but not exactly painful. It was more like a slight pinch to the knees. I would rather kneel on these for a whole hour than get grounded with no video games and computers for a whole month, and I’m sure many would agree with me. Heck, I’ll kneel on grits for three hours rather than the other choice!
ReplyDeleteThis creative punishment about kneeling on grits tells me about T. ray that he has no care for Lily and that he’s a cruel, unloving, child-abusing, poor example for a father. But I think he probably could’ve thought up even more painful punishments and maybe he’s holding back. Kneeling on grits isn’t that bad, in my professional opinion. Also, Lily getting punished almost every day by kneeling on grits might foreshadow how Lily (if she didn’t run away) might grow up to be a depressing person who’s filled up to the brim with pessimism. If she keeps on getting punished like that, she’ll grow up unhappy and might even commit suicide because of all the misery of the punishments and having no mother. Also, her knees will get more and more ugly every time she kneels on grits. And no one likes ugly knees.
I expected the grits to hurt more, but then again I wasn’t on them for a long time at all. I thought that they would feel sharper. The people who I talked to that did kneel on them said that it was very painful, and it was very uncomfortable. This punishment can say a lot about a person. It says that T. Ray is a very harsh person. Also, this punishment says that after Lily’s mom died, she had a unlovable life. It also showed that she was used to doing this, and that T. Ray didn’t care about Lily’s emotions or feelings.
ReplyDeleteI expected them to hurt pretty badly. Although they did hurt a little bit they didn’t meet anywhere near my expectations. They didn’t hurt at all but I assume after a while it must kill. It stung a little especially at the end it really didn’t hurt. It burned it stung but that was it. It must have hurt for Lily who had to stay on them for a long time.
ReplyDeleteIt shows T-Ray a nasty and cruel father. He takes for granted having a daughter and now doesn’t even have one. She left him because of how cruel he was and the fact that she was tortured made her grow up quickly. Rosaleen also made her feel better. I believe that eventually she will go back unless someone else can take them in.
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i put only a light amount of my body weight on my elbows, and they hurt! i was expecting them to be more like nails, and they hurt a little less than i anticipated them. this shows that T-Ray doesn't mess around, and whenever lily messes up, she is in some serious pain for an hour. This gives me an idea of her childhood, and it really shows me that she doesnt get in trouble that he finds out about too much. her level of maturity has increased since the beginning of the book, and she is becoming more independent with rosaleen.
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